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radikaal
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Posted: Nov 29, 2010 03:58 PM          Msg. 1 of 21
Jan 1000
Que 19 toolmakers
Que 1 woodcutter
Que 19 toolmakers
Que 205 woodcutters
Food Ratio: Extremely High
Researching: Mine Production
Explore: 40 Forest
Toolmakers: 0%
END TURN

Feb 1000
END TURN

Mar 1000
END TURN
(Had triple this month)

Apr 1000
END TURN

May 1000
Que max woodcutters (22)
Que 48 toolmakers
END TURN

Jun 1000
Que max woodcutters (5) (Top prio)
END TURN

Jul 1000
Explore: 40 forest
Que max hunters (10)
Que iron mines (80)
END TURN


Aug 1000
Que max hunters (10)
Que 16 goldmines
END TURN
double crops

Sep 1000
Que max hunters (6)
Que 24 goldmines
END TURN

Oct 1000
Que max hunters (6)
Que 24 goldmines
Food Ratio: Very High
END TURN

Nov 1000
Que max hunters (4)
Que 24 goldmines
END TURN


Dec 1000
Que max hunters (7) (Low prio)
Que 2 goldmines
Que 3 towncenters (Top prio)
END TURN

Jan 1001
Score: 15919
Pop: 5245
Mountain: 500, Forest: 1209, Plains: 2508
Free Mountain: 0, Free Forest: 13, Free Plains: 1767


Que max Hunters (2)
Que 3 Towncenter
Que max toolmakers (8)
Explore: 52 Wood
End turn

Feb 1001
Que max Hunters (9)
Que 3 Towncenter
Que max toolmakers (10)
End turn

Mar 1001
Que max Hunters (9)
Que 3 Towncenter
Que max toolmakers (10)
Explore: 24 Wood
End turn

Apr 1001
Que max Hunters (14)
Que 2 Towncenter
Que toolmakers (20) (total 150 toolmakers)
Que max farms (18)
End turn

May 1001
Que max Hunters (23)
Que max farms (73)
Que 1 towncenter
End turn

Jun 1001
Que 13 Hunters
Que 8 woodcutters
Que 4 towncenter
End turn

Jul 1001
Score: 17181
Pop: 6613
Mountain: 500, Forest: 1420, Plains: 2509
Free Mountain: 0, Free Forest: 42, Free Plains: 900

From here on I will be exploring Forest for income, plains for towncenters (and other support)
Woodcutters are your source of income for now. (This obviously will change later to gold mines)

Hunter: 169
Farm: 111
Woodcutter: 260
Iron Mine: 100
Gold Mine: 100
Toolmakers: 150
Towncenter 29
Market: 10
House: 50

Oct 1001
Food ratio: Very High

Jan 1002
Score: 19386
Pop: 8576
Mountain: 500, Forest: 1756, Plains: 2652
Free Mountain: 0, Free Forest: 46, Free Plains: 268

Hunter: 169
Farm: 111
Woodcutter: 343
Iron Mine: 100
Gold Mine: 100
Toolmakers: 150
Towncenter 60
Market: 10
House: 50

Jul 1002
Score: 23631
Pop: 9950
Mountain: 500, Forest: 2106, Plains: 3453
Free Mountain: 4, Free Forest: 88, Free Plains: 244

Hunter: 169
Farm: 111
Woodcutter: 420
Iron Mine: 96
Gold Mine: 104
Toolmakers: 175
Towncenter 91
Market: 10
House: 50

Jan 1003
Score: 28480
Pop: 11181
Mountain: 500, Forest: 2716, Plains: 4085
Free Mountain: 21, Free Forest: 102, Free Plains: 86

Hunter: 169
Farm: 111
Woodcutter: 569
Iron Mine: 73
Gold Mine: 130
Toolmakers: 175
Towncenter: 121
Market: 20
House: 50

Jul 1003
Score: 35786
Pop: 12545
Mountain: 500, Forest: 3867, Plains: 4773
Free Mountain: 1, Free Forest: 209, Free Plains: 149

Hunter: 169
Farm: 111
Woodcutter: 830
Iron Mine: 37
Gold Mine: 194
Toolmakers: 200
Towncenter 144
Market: 20
House: 50

Jan 1004
Score: 43461
Pop: 15318
Mountain: 503, Forest: 5053, Plains: 5500
Free Mountain: 1, Free Forest: 147, Free Plains: 170

Hunter: 169
Farm: 90
Woodcutter: 1142
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 251
Toolmakers: 225
Towncenter: 172
Market: 30
House: 50

start now to explore all land instead of plains. But still forests for main income.

JUl 1004
Score: 52324
Pop: 17328
Mountain: 641, Forest: 6436, Plains: 6124
Free Mountain: 27, Free Forest: 210, Free Plains: 199

Hunter: 169
Farm: 20
Woodcutter: 1472
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 307
Toolmakers: 300
Towncenter: 197
Market: 55
House: 50

Jan 1005
Score: 61572
Pop: 20210
Mountain: 815, Forest: 7593, Plains: 7071
Free Mountain: 33, Free Forest: 135, Free Plains: 201

Hunter: 169
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 1780
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 391
Toolmakers: 300
Towncenter: 234
Market: 80
House: 50

Jul 1005
Score: 76235
Pop: 25312
Mountain: 1284, Forest: 8814, Plains: 9102
Free Mountain: 316, Free Forest: 264, Free Plains: 402

Hunter: 169
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 2053
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 484
Toolmakers: 600
Towncenter: 280
Market: 100
House: 50

Jan 1006
Score: 89004
Pop: 28567
Mountain: 1572, Forest: 10337, Plains: 10321
Free Mountain: 40, Free Forest: 259, Free Plains: 196

Hunter: 169
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 2435
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 766
Toolmakers: 600
Towncenter: 337
Market: 100
House: 50

Jul 1006
Score: 107748
Pop: 33188
Magelevels: 2
Mountain: 1950, Forest: 12877, Plains: 11986
Free Mountain: 76, Free Forest: 493, Free Plains: 389

Hunter: 400
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 2896
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 937
Toolmakers: 600
Magetowers± 6
Towncenter: 391
Market: 120
House: 50

Jan 1007
Score: 124641
Pop: 40075
Magelevels: 5
Mountain: 2269, Forest: 15355, Plains: 13236
Free Mountain: 115, Free Forest: 207, Free Plains: 246

Hunter: 400
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 3587
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 1077
Toolmakers: 600
Magetowers: 20
Towncenter: 434
Market: 175
House: 50

From here on I will explore mountains instead of forests.

Jul 1007
Score: 150211
Pop: 46928
Magelevels: 7
Mountain: 4039, Forest: 16763, Plains: 16276
Free Mountain: 1555, Free Forest: 251, Free Plains: 526

Hunter: 400
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 3928
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 1242
Toolmakers: 1000
Magetowers: 50
Towncenter: 496
Market: 225
House: 50

Jan 1008
Score: 163434
Pop: 58772
Magelevels: 9
Mountain: 5024, Forest: 17240, Plains: 17414
Free Mountain: 192, Free Forest: 16, Free Plains: 1224

Hunter: 400
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4106
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 2416
Toolmakers: 1000
Magetowers: 70
Towncenter: 496
Market: 225
House: 200

Jul 1008
Score: 178642
Pop: 69709
Magelevels: 11
Mountain: 6567, Forest: 17737, Plains: 18458
Free Mountain: 413, Free Forest: 209, Free Plains: 523

Hunter: 400
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4182
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 3077
Toolmakers: 1080
Magetowers: 200
Towncenter: 515
Market: 225
House: 300

Jan 1009
Score: 196406
Pop: 84139
Magelevels: 14
Mountain: 8426, Forest: 18210, Plains: 19596
Free Mountain: 182, Free Forest: 110, Free Plains: 197

Hunter: 400
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4325
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 4122
Toolmakers: 1200
Magetowers: 282
Towncenter: 525
Market: 250
House: 450

explore plains instead of all land. Build hunters on forest

Jul 1009
Score: 220110
Pop: 98415
Magelevels: 16
Mountain: 10901, Forest: 18810, Plains: 21512
Free Mountain: 693, Free Forest: 24, Free Plains: 471

Hunter: 485
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 5104
Toolmakers: 1350
Magetowers: 313
Towncenter: 550
Market: 325
House: 550

Jan 1010
Score: 247334
Pop: 120443
Magelevels: 17
Mountain: 13332, Forest: 18952, Plains: 24871
Free Mountain: 526, Free Forest: 18, Free Plains: 721

Hunter: 659
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 6403
Toolmakers: 1600
Magetowers: 375
Towncenter: 605
Market: 400
House: 800

Jul 1010
Score: 278188
Pop: 141514
Magelevels: 19
Mountain: 15765, Forest: 19104, Plains: 29637
Free Mountain: 1825, Free Forest: 26, Free Plains: 562

Hunter: 731
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 6970
Toolmakers: 2250
Magetowers: 600
Towncenter: 687
Market: 400
House: 800

Jan 1011
Score: 308522
Pop: 15877
Magelevels: 21
Mountain: 17843, Forest: 19243, Plains: 34307
Free Mountain: 249, Free Forest: 23, Free Plains: 2160

Hunter: 802
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 8797
Toolmakers: 2250
Magetowers: 846
Towncenter: 725
Market: 400
House: 1000

Jan 1012
Score: 369887
Pop: 210191
Magelevels: 26
Mountain: 23450, Forest: 19551, Plains: 41520
Free Mountain: 310, Free Forest: 23, Free Plains: 568

Hunter: 956
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 11570
Toolmakers: 2500
Magetowers: 1536
Towncenter: 800
Market: 550
House: 1500

Jan 1013
Score: 457616
Pop: 255267
Magelevels: 31
Mountain: 30090, Forest: 19976, Plains: 55041
Free Mountain: 806, Free Forest: 34, Free Plains: 2314

Hunter: 1163
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 14642
Toolmakers: 3750
Magetowers: 1961
Towncenter: 1000
Market: 700
House: 1850

Jan 1014
Score: 540125
Pop: 320386
Magelevels: 35
Mountain: 39308, Forest: 20462, Plains: 61712
Free Mountain: 640, Free Forest: 28, Free Plains: 440

Hunter: 1409
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 19334
Toolmakers: 3750
Magetowers: 2548
Towncenter: 1100
Market: 900
House: 2418

Jan 1015
Score: 648466
Pop: 399219
Magelevels: 39
Mountain: 51294, Forest: 21056, Plains: 71305
Free Mountain: 1158, Free Forest: 50, Free Plains: 483

Hunter: 1695
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 25068
Toolmakers: 4000
Magetowers: 2996
Towncenter: 1250
Market: 1150
House: 3000

Jan 1016
Score: 764662
Pop: 492068
Magelevels: 42
Mountain: 61947, Forest: 21731, Plains: 84995
Free Mountain: 463, Free Forest: ,2, Free Plains: 829

Hunter: 2040
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 30742
Toolmakers: 5000
Magetowers: 3613
Towncenter: 1411
Market: 1500
House: 3800

Jan 1017
Score: 916136
Pop: 569775
Magelevels: 46
Mountain: 72293, Forest: 22479, Plains: 110222
Free Mountain: 434, Free Forest: 49, Free Plains: 1144

Hunter: 2407
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 35763
Toolmakers: 6000
Stable: 1650
Magetowers: 4316
Towncenter: 1750
Market: 2000
House: 4258

As of now I put my stables on 100% as explore costs are 298 this turn.

Jan 1018
Score: 1021119
Pop: 698116
Magelevels: 50
Mountain: 80982, Forest: 23236, Plains: 123832
Free Mountain: 658, Free Forest: 98, Free Plains: 840

Hunter: 2761
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 40162
Toolmakers: 6000
Stable: 1750
Magetowers: 5806
Towncenter: 1750
Market: 2150
House: 5500

Jan 1019
Score: 1181299
Pop: 789352
Magelevels: 54
Mountain: 94712, Forest: 24799, Plains: 144387
Free Mountain: 1010, Free Forest: 53, Free Plains: 2981

Hunter: 3565
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 46851
Toolmakers: 6000
Stable: 1950
Magetowers: 7108
Towncenter: 1950
Market: 2400
House: 6750

Jan 1020
Score: 1342895
Pop: 921287
Magelevels: 57
Mountain: 112631, Forest: 25715, Plains: 158223
Free Mountain: 1185, Free Forest: 59, Free Plains: 898

Hunter: 4020
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 55723
Toolmakers: 6000
Stable: 2250
Magetowers: 7550
Towncenter: 2235
Market: 3150
House: 7500

Jan 1021
Score: 1535804
Pop: 1064262
Magelevels: 61
Mountain: 135205, Forest: 25714, Plains: 174443
Free Mountain: 1831, Free Forest: 0, Free Plains: 1218

Hunter: 4049
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 66687
Toolmakers: 6500
Stable: 2550
Magetowers: 8100
Towncenter: 2465
Market: 3550
House: 8750

Sept 1026
Score: 3084083
Pop: 2229644
Magelevels: 78
Mountain: 304759, Forest: 26220, Plains: 323990
Free Mountain: 2333, Free Forest: 506, Free Plains: 5374

Hunter: 4049
Farm: 0
Woodcutter: 4404
Iron Mine: 0
Gold Mine: 151213
Toolmakers: 11000
Stable: 4350
Magetowers: 13363
Towncenter: 4347
Market: 9500
House: 19500

This is it for now. Enjoy

Edited by radikaal on Nov 30, 2010 at 05:09 PM
Edited by radikaal on Dec 1, 2010 at 05:19 PM
Edited by radikaal on Dec 2, 2010 at 05:11 PM
Edited by radikaal on Dec 6, 2010 at 04:22 PM
Edited by radikaal on Dec 12, 2010 at 10:14 AM
Edited by radikaal on Dec 13, 2010 at 04:17 PM

fusional
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Posted: Nov 30, 2010 07:52 PM          Msg. 2 of 21
I guess you are buying some tools on local right?

Anyway, thx for this

radikaal
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Posted: Dec 1, 2010 03:05 PM          Msg. 3 of 21
Yes. I only do local.

ImJustNoGoodAtThis
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what a dumb avatar for me


Posted: Dec 1, 2010 05:41 PM          Msg. 4 of 21
what is your usual Jan 1025 score? This is completely different then i do it, so i'd like to see how it finishes.

Don't hate me when i beat you, be ashamed, cause i stink at this game.

fusional
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Posted: Dec 2, 2010 08:03 AM          Msg. 5 of 21
Glen? You back in the fold?

ImJustNoGoodAtThis
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what a dumb avatar for me


Posted: Dec 2, 2010 09:06 AM          Msg. 6 of 21
just checking things out more then anything.

Don't hate me when i beat you, be ashamed, cause i stink at this game.

radikaal
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Posted: Dec 2, 2010 01:41 PM          Msg. 7 of 21
I don't know yet...I'll tell you when I get there.

radikaal
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Posted: Dec 13, 2010 04:19 PM          Msg. 8 of 21
Ended with 650K land in sept 2006. I think if really hard pressed 650K is possible in 300 turns.

Administrator
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Posted: Dec 13, 2010 04:38 PM          Msg. 9 of 21
Mind if I link this to the new player tutorial in game ?

tread lightly with your mouth.

ImJustNoGoodAtThis
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what a dumb avatar for me


Posted: Dec 13, 2010 04:58 PM          Msg. 10 of 21
ok, i still get better with mine, i get around 700k-775k usually. 1m+ with public. I think the only issue i have with yours is you seem to use wood to sell to long, i think that helps in short run, cause you get higher quicker, but i pull away in the end, so i wonder if my sticking to gold mines earlier than you helps in the long run. Hard to say, still, good start to help the newer players, well done.

Don't hate me when i beat you, be ashamed, cause i stink at this game.

radikaal
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Posted: Dec 14, 2010 12:29 PM          Msg. 11 of 21
To admin:

This is free for anybody. So by all means link this to wherever you feel it helps.

To ImJustNoGoodAtThis:

The problem I thinks not really in the wood. Although I may have gone on slightly to long. In the middle I focus to much on research. That has hurt me the most I think.
(Oh and it didn't happen if you do not post. :P, so my 650K stands yours not (yet?))
Edited by radikaal on Dec 14, 2010 at 12:31 PM

ImJustNoGoodAtThis
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what a dumb avatar for me


Posted: Dec 14, 2010 04:37 PM          Msg. 12 of 21
you also get more hunters at start then i do, so that may be another thing i don't know, research could be a big reason why as well. I don't REALLY start focusing on it until later, i do get the 5 space and 5 markets 1st, so as to help with my ratio, i think it at the beginning helps more then mines. Not 100% sure, i will show it in the next few rounds. Won't do a turn-by-turn startup guide, don't believe in them per say. The slight differences in the land you grab, the pop you gain changes what you need, especially after the 1st 2 yrs or so.

Don't hate me when i beat you, be ashamed, cause i stink at this game.

radikaal
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Posted: Dec 14, 2010 04:50 PM          Msg. 13 of 21
I agree on hunters. I should leave them on 50.
research on space and markets...they are a waste in my opinion.
first 18 turns will be roughly the same. After that it differs. That is why I went half yearly and yearly later.
The conclusion is, it is not bad, but there is room for improvement.

ImJustNoGoodAtThis
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what a dumb avatar for me


Posted: Dec 15, 2010 11:34 PM          Msg. 14 of 21
I couldn't disagree more on space/mark research. If you can eliminate the need for excessive houses/warehouses(maybe eliminate them drastically with tc's being worth more) and reduce # of markets, means you need less plain lands to support your growth allowing you to have more mines. The small research makes a major difference. I go 5 space, 5 mark, 50 mine, 5 space, 5 mark, 100 mine. Try it once, and see how much of a difference it makes for you.

Don't hate me when i beat you, be ashamed, cause i stink at this game.

ImJustNoGoodAtThis
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what a dumb avatar for me


Posted: Dec 15, 2010 11:37 PM          Msg. 15 of 21
Also, on that note for newer players, if your don't mind taking a longer time to do your prot run to maximize your run. Remember you can auto-buy food and manually buy food off local. Meaning you only need half the markets then if you just all auto-bought food. Helps a bit, but makes your prot run take awhile.

Don't hate me when i beat you, be ashamed, cause i stink at this game.

radikaal
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 03:10 PM          Msg. 16 of 21
It is good to disagree. One of us might learn something. ;-)

I see it this way.

For every goldmine I need 0,12 houses.
1 rl in mines safes you 1% of your mountains. Equals 0.02 land
1 rl in living space safes 5% on your houses. Equals 0.012 land. (Reality is slightly higher due to also have other sources of income like woodcutters and markets etc.)

Same goes for markets. I think it is not worth it.

ImJustNoGoodAtThis
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what a dumb avatar for me


Posted: Dec 16, 2010 06:28 PM          Msg. 17 of 21
Your forgetting the effect it has on tc's and on warehouses. Individually, it is NOT worth it, but when you collect all these together it is worth it. Not to mention your math is off

1 rl in mines saves you 1% of 2 land a piece in gold mine = .01 land
1 rl in space saves 5% 2 land a piece of houses - =.1 land
1 rl in space saves 5% 4 land a piece in warehouses = .2 land
1 rl in market saves 5% 4 land a peice in markets = .2 land

That of course doesn't even include the effect on towncenters where it becomes more beneficial. This is why i think i past you in the end now. Because i get that research reducing the number of plains i need allowing me to explore at a higher ratio and overtake you in the end.

Don't hate me when i beat you, be ashamed, cause i stink at this game.

radikaal
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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 02:11 PM          Msg. 18 of 21
I am not forgetting it, it just is not relevant.

The population space from a towncenter is a bonus on the towncenter, but you are not building them if you are short on pop space. You only build houses. That is why I only use houses in my calculation, you only save that space.

I admit I have not taken in account the warehouses...but so far at least until you reach 650K there is no need for them anyway.

your calculations btw are incorrect but I do get the point you are trying to make. You however do not have much markets (You save 10%) compaired to your goldmines. For every goldmine if you would buy let's say food you can buy 10 food. Every market has 200 resources. (100 autobuy, 100 to trade yourself) So you have max 1/20 market per gold mine.

I might be wrong, but I think it is not helping other then in "ease" of playing.

ImJustNoGoodAtThis
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what a dumb avatar for me


Posted: Dec 17, 2010 02:22 PM          Msg. 19 of 21
Of course your not building them if your short on pop space, but it isn't irrelevant, because you save HAVING to build more houses, again, which allows you to explore more land in mountain land then plains land. But, let's just agree to disagree , and let ppl decide for themselves.

Don't hate me when i beat you, be ashamed, cause i stink at this game.

radikaal
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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 04:57 PM          Msg. 20 of 21
They can't say we didn't make a good case out of it.
 
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