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Posted: Jan 17, 2012 09:31 AM          Msg. 1 of 9
All civilizations besides Turk and Japanese start making horses when it is as about 275-300 food. Here is where you will see how much food it takes to send out one explorers. This will be on the explore page.


You have 0 explorers looking for land.
You can have a maximum of 60 explorers.
Your food reserves allow you to send 250 explorers.
You can send 60 more explorers.
You need 10 food for each explorer.
You have 0 horses.



Turks will begin making horses at 150-175 food per explorer.

Japanese will begin making horses at 225 food per explorer.

As mentioned earlier all other civilizations will begin making horses at 275-300 food per explorer.



Disclaimer: Perhaps Franks make horses earlier than mentioned but I wouldnt know, Ive never played that snoozefest of a civilization. :)

Edited by Administrator on Jan 17, 2012 at 09:34 AM

radikaal
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Posted: Jan 17, 2012 12:51 PM          Msg. 2 of 9
I say a Frank makes Horses from 330 food onwards.

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 04:10 AM          Msg. 3 of 9
In reality, you have to make them earlier than suggested?

Turk makes 2 horses as a +1 bonus. Standard civ is 300 food SEND horses with explorers. So a Turk must send horses at 150? Why 175? Where does that maths come into it.

Legitimate question here, something I really haven't put any thought into as by then you are growing that quickly that you hit those levels in a few turns.

Interesting to hear the maths on this, basically because well, maths intrigues me. Radikaal has made a statement that I haven't heard before so would be interested to hear the reasoning behind it. Has proven himself over time so would be worthwhile to get some average players thinking in more detail about the game.

Apart from that, I think just the terminology is a bit off.

Basics of exploring:
No horses, 6 months exploring. 1 horse 8, 2horses 10 months, and 3 horses sends your explorers for 12 months.
The reasoning here, is that since it takes you 100 food to make a horse, the basic maths suggests that to send your explorers for twice the time means that explorers get sent for 300 food for 6 months, or with 3 horses for 12 months which costs exactly double the food.

Turks have a +1 bonus, meaning it costs half as much to produce a horse. Meaning that it costs 150 food to make 3 horses, meaning at 150 food per explorer, you hit your efficiency target of double at 150 so you should be sending 3 horses per at that point. Of course, you need them to send, so you need to be making them before that.

Japs have -25 food, so costs 75 food per horse. Simple maths says 3* 75 = 225 food per explorer is the point where you are sending 3 horses per.

Very minimal point there as I suggested so not many people delve too much deeper than that. So would be interested to hear the maths Radikaal for 330 food per for Franks, since Admin suggested maybe send them earlier? Sure I could figure it out by myself if I put the time in, but why bother with Radikaal here.

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 02:49 PM          Msg. 4 of 9
Well here is my simplistic view on the matter.

1 farm produces 4 2/3 food a month. (8 x 7 / 12) (no research)
300 food needs 64 farms = 128 plains
you need 771 population so about 7.7 houses = 15.4 plains
to proces the 300 food in your stable you need 3 stables = 12 plains
and some extra housing 3 * 12 = .36 house = ,72 plains

total : 156.72 plains

As argued before the cost for 3 horses should equal the food needed to send out the explorer.

So on 156.72 plains we can have 70 farms (including supporting houses). 70 farms produce 326.5 food a turn.

If you have 25 research in food this will come to 333 and for 50 research you come to 340 food.

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Posted: Jan 19, 2012 10:50 PM          Msg. 5 of 9
Care to go through in more detail?

Obviously you are saying that you are more than 10% efficient in food making until that point to counter the loss of exploring power, but can you show that in numbers?

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Posted: Jan 20, 2012 05:22 PM          Msg. 6 of 9
I do not understand your question.

What I say is that horses are more expensive then 100 food. You also need to "rent" the stables.
You could have done something else with the land instead of having a stable on it like having a farm on it. The farm would have provided food. The "loss" of this food should be calculated into the price of the horse.

Forgive me if I don't explain it properly, it all makes great sense to me...but I always have a hard time convincing people of it.

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Posted: Jan 21, 2012 02:31 AM          Msg. 7 of 9
If I may. I use a simplified example.
Say you produce 3 food per land.
At explorers cost 300. You spend 200 land on food production to get 600 fpt to afford 3x horse for each explorer. You have another 12 land as stables (I will ignore extra population requirements).
So total 212 land gives 1 explorer with 3x horses.
Or 1 explorer with 12 months.

If you just used explorers without horses, from 212 land, you get 636 food which gives 2.18 explorers without horses. Divide by 2, since 12 months vs 6, 1.09
So the equivalent of 1.09 explorers with 12 months

9% more explorers from not using horses yet.

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Posted: Jan 21, 2012 12:15 PM          Msg. 8 of 9
My brain is clearly not wired for explaining...but what DR says is right.

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Posted: Jan 21, 2012 03:37 PM          Msg. 9 of 9
For sake of the future, continued discussion should be in strategy forum :P.
On the whole, I feel the advice given above is sound enough and anymore really confuses new players.
 

 

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